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It’s time for part 3 of our discussion about one of the most challenging parts of transitioning into retirement, dealing with the fact that you’re no longer receiving a paycheck from work. Today, we’ll discuss specifically how to turn your nest egg into paychecks with strategies like living off of dividends and using an income floor.
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Marc Killian: Hey everybody, welcome into Retirement Planning Redefined with the guys from PFG Private Wealth, John and Nick, financial advisors here with me once again as we talk about investing, finance, and retirement on the program. Anytime you’re listening to the podcast and you’ve got a question or concern, jot it down, jot this number down, give them a call and talk to them about it before you take any action with anything you’re listening to that’s financially related, 813-286-7776. Well, that’s a mouthful. Let me do that again, 813-286-7776 is the number to call, and of course you can go online to PFGPrivateWealth.com. That’s PFGPrivateWealth.com, and while you’re there, subscribe to the podcast so you can get upcoming episodes and check out past ones and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: John, what’s going on man? How are you?
John Teixeira: I’m good. How are you doing?
Speaker 2: I’m hanging in there. Trying not to melt. At the time of this podcast, it’s about 8 million degrees, I think, on the outside. Nick, what about you buddy? You hanging in there?
Nick McDevitt: Yeah. Yeah, we’ve had a ton of rain lately-
Speaker 2: Which just makes it worse.
Nick McDevitt: Giving me flashback of living up north, but …
Speaker 2: Well, aside from the heat and all that fun stuff, what else is going on with you guys? Do you guys got anything cooking, no pun intended.
John Teixeira: Yeah, so tonight we’re actually excited to, we’re doing some volunteer work tonight, and there’s a group that Nick and I are part of. It’s called the 13 Ugly Men. That’s exactly the response whenever people hear that name. But no, it’s a great organization. It’s about 30, although it’s 13, there’s 35 guys in it. We throw events and donate to local Tampa Bay charities. And part of the donation, we actually do hands on work. So we’re donating to a charity called Gigi’s Playhouse, which Nick and I actually interviewed, and he’s on the charity committee for, for our group.
Speaker 2: Nice.
John Teixeira: And we’re throwing a Halloween event. The goal is to donate about $25,000 to them. And tonight we’re doing some hands on efforts, which Nick can kinda touch on, cause he set it up.
Nick McDevitt: Yeah, man. The organization supports people with Down Syndrome, and so they have a lot of different programs that they have. So tonight we’re going to go in and kinda run an evening of Bingo and bring in some food, and kind of play Bingo, and there will be a broad range of ages there and stuff like that. So, so we’re looking forward to that tonight.
Speaker 2: That’s awesome. That’s really cool. I appreciate you sharing that with us. That’s very cool that you can do that.
Speaker 2: And maybe what we can do is we can talk on another podcast about how you can get involved with that particular thing if you’d like to help. But that’s awesome that you guys are doing those extra things out in the community here in the area. So, well, with that, let’s turn our attention to this week’s podcast, which is to continue our conversation about strategies to turn that nest egg into a paycheck. We covered several things last time to your cash reserves, bucket strategy, so on and so forth. What are some other things we need to think about?
John Teixeira: Yeah, so you know, like we talked about last week, there’s a lot of different strategies and really we let our financial plan kind of dictate which is best for the individuals based on needs and goals.
John Teixeira: So as you mentioned last, week we did go over the two year cash reserves bucket strategy. Another one that we’ve been utilizing, and depending on the situation, is basically just living off of your dividends and interest. So that’s where you have your principal and whatever dividends interest is spun off either monthly or quarterly, that goes into a spend account, and that basically becomes your paycheck moving forward. Some of the benefits of kind of utilizing this would be you don’t have to worry about your money running out, because you keep your principal intact, and you’re never really dipping into into it. So, the fear of money running out goes away.
John Teixeira: And also we see this a lot where someone’s interested in leaving some type of legacy to somebody.
Speaker 2: Right. Sure.
John Teixeira: Basically like, “Hey John, Nick, I have this money here. I want to leave it to my kids, I want to leave it to whoever. So I’m just going to live off of the interest in dividends.” So that’s kind of one way to look at it.
Nick McDevitt: And I would say this is a strategy we wanted to talk about, because we get asked about it. However, with how the markets have changed over time and how people spending in longevity has changed over time, it’s become less of a common strategy, with one of the big reasons being yields are down significantly over the last 20 years. Where years ago you could get a really good CD rates and things like that, where you can get a decent paycheck from that.
Nick McDevitt: So some of those challenges are, it’s tough to find a yield, whether it’s via dividend, whether it’s via fixed securities, to give people the amount of income that they need. And so what’ll happen is they’ll chase that yield and give up growth opportunities, which then essentially makes it difficult for them to keep up with inflation over time. So dividend rates will change over time and at the onset people kind of see it as, “Hey this is what my parents did,” but maybe their parents had a pension or their parents expenses were a lot lower.
Nick McDevitt: And we like to talk about it because, and it’s interesting, it’s usually men that bring it up and more focused on like individual stock or individual bond investing, which is less common now. So although it is a lot more rare, we do like to bring it up at least to address it, so that people understand how it works that depending upon their overall situation it can be, but most likely some of the other strategies we’re going to discuss are probably going to make more sense for them.
John Teixeira: Yeah. And kind of who this works for is really someone who has a very large nest egg and…
Speaker 2: Okay.
John Teixeira: …and necessarily doesn’t need more than the dividends interest will spin off. And as Nick mentioned, this environment does make it very challenging because interest rates are low, and then people will kind of go to stocks for that to try to find some extra dividends.
Speaker 2: Right.
John Teixeira: But we [inaudible 00:06:24] some of the equity corporations, they’ll actually change the dividend on you. So that’s a big risk where, and I know Nick touched on it, but I’ve seen where some companies will have a specific dividend and then recession hits or the stock isn’t doing so well, so they need some growth, so they’ll go ahead and lower their dividend, which could really affect your monthly income.
Speaker 2: Okay. All right.
Speaker 2: So that’s kind of a living off a dividend type of strategy to turn that nest egg into a paycheck. What’s another one? Is there something else we can also share with the listeners?
Nick McDevitt: Yeah, so another one again, depends on the situation, is kind of creating an income floor.
Speaker 2: Okay.
John Teixeira: So this is where you look at, “Hey, what’s my guaranteed income that I have coming in?” And most people, clearly social security is number one. But some other people might have a pension and what they’ll look at is saying, “Okay, what’s my guaranteed income?” And we’ll do an exercise and do all their expenses, but we’ll divvy it up where we have our fixed expenses and then our discretionary. And what we’ll try to do in this situation is match up their guaranteed income with their fixed expenses. So no matter what happens, it gives them peace of mind to say, “Hey, no matter what happens in the market or health, I know that my fixed expenses are covered.” And we make sure that those fixed expenses are covered for life.
John Teixeira: The risk of running out of money necessarily for those fixed expenses really isn’t there. And then some challenges to this, what we see in why. Again, it’s not perfect every situation, but some challenges with it is, does that leave you with enough liquidity? Do you have enough money? What if you need to tap into a little bit more. And then also the big one with this I would say is inflation. I don’t know if you want to add anything to that, Nick.
Nick McDevitt: Yeah. So, realistically there’s only a few ways to kind of create the guaranteed income floor, and we’ll end up talking about that kind of later on down the series of a podcast. But, John mentioned the social security. They may or may not have a pension, and so the only other way to create, essentially a guaranteed income, would be through some sort of annuity, and there are different sorts of annuity.
Nick McDevitt: So when John refers to the not having enough liquidity, meaning that, to provide the guaranteed paycheck that they may be looking for, there may not be enough in assets to do it in a large sum of money. So usually if we’re looking at something like that, we only like to attribute up to 20% of their overall nest egg into a strategy like that.
Nick McDevitt: So typically it’s people that, where something like this would make sense is somebody that may be a conservative investor, somebody that has maybe a lot of longevity in their family and they have a significant fear of running out of, or outliving their money. Maybe they’re only guaranteed source of income is social security. So they’re looking to kind of build on and have some additional security from that standpoint. So, going through and trying to find other ways to help increase that floor is a pretty typical process that we use with people.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So again, each of these strategies may or may not be the right fit for the individual. It’s a matter of going through and talking about some different things and looking at stuff to see which is going to work best for you.
Speaker 2: You mentioned kind of earlier on that you’re just living off the dividends. What about somebody who might be in a situation where they do need to sell off the investments, maybe as needed type of thing. So more of a withdrawal strategy, I guess.
Nick McDevitt: Yeah. So what we’ll kind of refer to that as is like a systematic withdrawal. And frankly this is pretty much the most common way.
Speaker 2: The norm kind of thing.
Nick McDevitt: Yeah. How people handle their income from their assets in retirement. The majority of people, their nest egg is comprised of some sort of combination of funds, whether it’s mutual funds, exchange traded funds, in some sort of diversified portfolio.
Nick McDevitt: And what we’ll do is, kind of after we go through the planning, and we figure out – Hey, your plan kind of tells us that we need to pull out, we’ll call it $3,000 a month from the nest egg, and they want to receive it on the first of the month, each month. And from the standpoint of their advisors and kind of portfolio managers, we’ll structure it so that that money deposits automatically into their account. We decide which investments that kind of sweeps off of, and we do it via kind of an automatic quarterly rebalance to make sure that we’re keeping the portfolio diversified in what the overall objective of the account. And then, realistically, this helps them deal with the ups and downs of the market. And really they’re only spending what they need.
John Teixeira: So, one of the things that Nick kind of said here…it’s important that you have a very good advisor, because you are looking at your advisor to make sure they customize the portfolio to deal with some challenges like a market downturn. So, that is a big risk with this, because if the market goes down and you need to sell off your investments, the worst thing you can do is really start selling off big chunks in a down market.
John Teixeira: So it’s important that your advisor has some strategy in place for that. And then also, again, a challenge with this would be depending on the person’s mindset, they might get afraid of spending too much, because the risk of running out of money and the kind of spiral down effect of tapping into your principal is always there.
Nick McDevitt: So it’s really important. I think you’ll notice as far as who the strategies work for is really who’s saved a lot of money. So it’s important to save as much as you can, because it allows you the ability to really use any of these strategies and be comfortable with it depending on your situation.
Speaker 2: All right. Well there you go.
Speaker 2: So there’s a few things to consider, to think about. We were, again, continuing our conversation about ways to turn our nest egg into paychecks and retirement and if you’ve got some questions, if you’ve got some concerns you’d like to talk with the team about how to do that, talk with John and Nick, give them a call at 813-286-7776, that’s 813-286-7776, to talk with John and Nick, financial advisors at PFG Private Wealth, serving you in the Tampa Bay area.
Speaker 2: Go to the website, PFGPrivateWealth.com. Again, that is PFGPrivateWealth.Com – check them out there, as well as subscribe to the podcast, and give us a chance to share a bit more of these things with the each and every week by subscribing on whatever platform it is that you happen to like. Apple. You can find us on Apple podcasts, on Google play, Stitcher, iHeart, various things like that. Thanks for listening to this edition of Retirement Planning Redefined. For John and Nick, I’m Mark, and we’ll see you next time here on the program.