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Big Beautiful Bill Myths Debunked

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Big tax law changes always bring big rumors. But before you assume Social Security is now tax-free or that you’re getting a $40K deduction just for breathing, let’s set the record straight on what this new bill didn’t actually do.

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Speaker 1:

The big tax law changes always bring rumors, so before you get too hyped up or worried about anything, we thought we’d have a little fun and debunk some of the Big Beautiful Bill myths this week on the podcast. Let’s get into it.

Hey everybody, welcome into Retirement Planning – Redefined with John and Nick from PFG Private Wealth. And one more time, we thought we would revisit the Big Beautiful Bill, the OBBBA conversation. I like saying OBBBA, it’s just fun. The One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Guys, just kind of hopefully maybe dispel some of these things, continue to have questions all throughout the year as we’re closing out the year we’re just trying to knock down some of those worries or some of those fears that people still have. So let’s set the record straight a little bit. We’ll have some fun with this. You guys can be myth busters on this episode, if you will. John, what’s going on my friend? How are you?

John Teixeira:

Not too much. Just wondering if Nick gave my phone number to a list because all of a sudden today I’m getting bombarded with, “Do you need a driveway cleaned?” And some random stuff. So I think I’m getting punked.

Speaker 1:

Oh man, it’s that time of the year. It seems like spam calls have gone just through the roof for the last couple of months, so I don’t know.

Nick McDevitt:

My hypothesis on that is I feel like businesses are slowing down and they’re kind of going back to their-

Speaker 1:

They’re getting creative too.

Nick McDevitt:

Yeah, they’re going back to their list client lists or different marketing tools. I feel like I’ve gotten re-added or added to a hundred new email lists in the last three weeks. So it’s interesting.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it’s a weird thing. And the text thing and the email, it’s like they have so much access to you. Constantly getting stuff and of course the phones are always listening, so you just get all this weird stuff. But I’m with you, John, same thing. Would you like to sell your house?

John Teixeira:

No. Nick complained about it a couple of weeks ago and I was like, “I’m not getting too much.” And all of a sudden I think he’s like, “Well, if I got to deal with it, John’s got it too.” So.

Speaker 1:

Either that or your phone was listening and said, “Oh, you’re not getting it? We’ll get one, then. Here it goes.”

John Teixeira:

It could be that one too.

Speaker 1:

All right, let’s jump into a few myths. We’ll have some fun here. Myth number one, Nick, Social Security is no longer taxed.

Nick McDevitt:

Kind of for some. So just like most things, there’s nuance to it. If your income falls within the threshold of where single or married filing jointly and singles, I think the 75,000 married filing jointly is the 150, then you actually get a $6,000 tax credit to help offset taxes that you may owe on your social security income. But it’s not something that line item wise is gone. So for most people, up to 85% of their social security income is includeable in their overall taxable income. So this is a way that that amount can get reduced dependent upon the overall situation.

Speaker 1:

So technically no, they did not remove social security tax, but they’re for certain brackets in certain age groups for a couple of years, you can definitely reap a benefit. So do that. But yeah, it didn’t go away unfortunately. Myth number two, John, the new tax law means tax cuts for everybody.

John Teixeira:

Unfortunately not for everybody. Like we talked about in the last episode, the senior citizen tax deduction above the age of 65 is those single will get six, joint will get 12, but that’s not even for everyone above 65. Well, because if you income level’s too high, you also don’t qualify. So not for everybody. And then even the SALT deduction, which Nick went into last episode as well, if your state doesn’t have income tax, certain situations work for you, certain situations, and everyone’s a case-by-case scenario here. So not for everybody. Some people might not see any tax benefits from this, but some people might see quite a bit.

Speaker 1:

Okay. All right. Nick, myth number three, the tax brackets are permanent, so I’m groovy. We’re going to stay in this low tax bracket forever.

Nick McDevitt:

Yeah, it’d be nice if things work that way, but as we know when it comes to taxes or really anything involving government or legislation, we can count on there being change at some point in the future. So although if people read through documents and they see, hey, this adjustment in brackets is now permanent, that’s just kind of referring back to when they were originally reduced. There was a sunset provision that it had to get renewed at a period of time in the future. And so that’s what happened is it was essentially renewed and locked into place, but a new president or a new Congress can adjust that and change that in the future. And based upon debt and all that kind of stuff, were of the opinion that at a certain point in time there will definitely be some changes. And the reality is that most likely they will be higher taxes.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, they changed their mind as the wind blows and what they do with it. Right? So, all right, myth number four, John, we didn’t really talk about the estate tax too much on that prior episode where we talked about some things, but they actually raised it up a tick, made it a nice even number. So it’s a $15 million estate tax exemption, which means estate planning doesn’t much matter anymore because most people aren’t going to get to that level. What’s your thoughts?

John Teixeira:

Yeah, so it’s nice they made it a nice even number, just like when they changed the RMDH from a 70 and a half to a nice even number there. So we like simplicity here. But yeah, it doesn’t mean estate tax planning doesn’t matter anymore because certain states do have their own estate tax themselves. We live in Florida here.

Speaker 1:

Good point.

John Teixeira:

So we don’t have to worry about that. But depending on the state you live in, important to understand what those estate taxes are.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that’s a federal estate. Yeah, that’s a great point. Yep.

John Teixeira:

Yep. So that’s the federal level there, 15 million. So yeah, just make sure you understand where it is. And just because the exemption went up doesn’t mean you don’t need estate planning because we’ve come across some people that definitely needed to structure their assets correctly to make sure that Uncle Sam doesn’t get all of it and also it goes to the right places. So.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it’s much more than just the tax is a good estate plan, so definitely you want to have the other pieces covered as well. So just because the number’s high doesn’t mean you don’t need an estate plan. And you don’t have to be a Rockefeller to need estate plan. A lot of people kind of surprised by the fact of what an estate plan can do for them. Just average everyday folks, it can still be very beneficial. So something to certainly consider.

Nick, we talked a little bit about the car loan interest on that prior one, but so I googled basically just common misconceptions about this, and that’s how I’m wording these based on how some of these questions came up. So it’s like, “Car loan interest is now fully deductible,” and that’s how with the internet and everything, that’s how things get run amok. People think, “Oh, no, no, I totally saw that. Car loan interest is fully deductible. So great, I’m going to go out and buy a car and be able to write off the interest.” But that’s not the whole story.

Nick McDevitt:

For sure. There are definitely… So there’s a cap as far as the amount that can be deducted, it’s about $10,000. From a deductibility standpoint, it is a temporary thing and there are certain thresholds from the perspective of income can’t exceed a hundred thousand. And then the rules about the final assembly being the US for the vehicle. So it’s not a blanket something that, just like anything else when it comes to rules and laws, especially on taxes, the devil’s in the details and you want to make sure you have a full understanding of what it looks like. And on top of that, the reality is that a tax deduction is not usually a reason to spend money if you don’t need something. So that’s kind of like the famous last words of, “Yeah, but there’s a tax deduction.” But also if there’s a cash flow issue, then it may not make sense. So just like anything else, you want to be smart about the decision.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. And I’ll take this last one, John for a little bit. Myth number six, it was really around the itemizing. “I can skip itemizing and still get deductions for charity giving.” And I think people confuse the itemization and QCDs. And so I think there’s a little bit different disinformation there and there is some above-the-line stuff. So just hit me with that one real quick.

John Teixeira:

So you can make the deductions with charitable gifting. And it’s just recapping last episode, it’s capped at 1,000 for single in 2,000 for couples. So you can get the standard deduction and go ahead and get these additional deductions for giving to charity without itemizing.

Speaker 1:

And I think for a lot of people, especially if you’re making good money, they think, “Hey, I don’t need the RMDs,” especially for a lot of your client base. “I got to pull this RMD. I don’t want to, but I have to. The government’s making me. How can I maybe be charitably inclined but also be effective from a tax standpoint?” And that’s where the confusion with the QCD comes in. Because you can satisfy that RMD by doing a QCD.

John Teixeira:

Yeah, these are… Yeah, thanks for clarifying.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

John Teixeira:

Yeah. These are two separate things here. The QCD is its own strategy and definitely take advantage of that if you are not, it’s a great way to do it. And just let’s kind of recap that strategy, Although it’s not part of the bill here, but what you want to do is have your… Once you’re above the age of 70, you can take advantage of it and you want the check or distribution that’s coming out of the retirement plan to go pre-tax, let’s emphasize that pre-tax, go directly from the retirement account to the charitable institution. So it has to be check made payable to that institution. They don’t need to get it directly. I have some clients that will get it mailed to their house as long as it’s written out to that institution. And the example, they go to church and they feel good about actually handing the check in.

And full disclosure, when you’re doing your taxes, I don’t want to say all, but most financial institutions aren’t basically telling the IRS what you did. When you do your taxes, you actually need to say, this is what you did. So the 1099 will kind of reflect a little bit of that, but you have to actually tell your CPA, “I did this.” Because if you do not, you will not get that tax deduction.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, for sure. And that’s why I wanted to ask you that because it does get confusion around what the tax law changes were with the above line charitable deductions or gift giving and the QCDs, so there was definitely some confusion there. So thanks for clearing that up. And again, that’s the whole point, right? Anytime there’s legislation, it always brings confusion. So having a good strategy, a good plan, and a good team in place to help you deal with this stuff because dealing with it every day is a lot easier than us who just only see the headlines and whatnot. So if you need some help, reach out to John and Nick, get onto the calendar at PFGPrivateWealth.com, that’s PFGPrivateWealth.com and schedule some time for yourself today. And with that, guys, thanks so much for hanging out. I hope everybody has a great holiday season. Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast on Apple or Spotify or whatever podcasting app you enjoy. Retirement Planning – Redefined with John and Nick from PFG Private Wealth. We’ll see you next time.

What The “Big Beautiful Bill” Means For Your Retirement Plan

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Today, John and Nick dive into the Big Beautiful Bill and what its changes mean for retirees and pre-retirees as the year winds down. They break down updates to tax brackets, standard and senior deductions, SALT caps, and Roth conversion strategies, while sharing tips on avoiding common pitfalls. Plus, they touch on credits and deductions like charitable giving, auto loans, and solar panels to help listeners make the most of these changes.

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This week on Retirement Planning Redefined, still a lot of questions out there about the Big Beautiful Bill and what happened earlier this year and some of those changes. So, we thought we would talk about that and touch on that as the year is winding down here on the podcast. So, stick around. Let’s get into it. Hey, everybody. Welcome into Retirement Planning Redefined with John and Nick from PFG Private Wealth. Find them online at pfgprivatewealth.com.

Guys, I know it’s been around for a couple of months now, half a year or whatever, but still a lot of questions and things going on with the Big Beautiful Bill changes, especially as it affects retirees and pre-retirees. So, we thought we would dive back in and have a conversation on some of this and just maybe touch on some of the things you guys are still hearing a few months later and see if we can break this down a little bit for folks and help them out. John, how are you doing this week?

John:

Hey, I’m doing all right. Just getting ready for Thanksgiving here and just looking for some downtime right now.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it’s right here upon us. Nick, you’re double whammy. You got Thanksgiving and then you got a wedding right after that. So, congratulations and happy holidays.

Nick:

Thanks. Yeah, it’s going to be a busy end of the year.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, for sure. Well, speaking of, let’s get into our topic here because there’s lot of stuff that’s happening and changes and whatnot. So, let’s just dive into some of the things and break some things down. The big piece obviously was that the tax brackets that we were under the TCJA since 2017 got extended. All year, we were wondering if that was going to happen as the year was winding down. This stuff was going to wrap up at the end of this year, but they extended it and they made it permanent. So, talk to me about that, whoever wants to take this. That’s interesting language and confusion for some people, but what’s your thoughts on the tax brackets being extended?

John:

Yeah, so the tax brackets from 2017 now remain in place where they were set to expire. So, they’re as permanent as I guess you could be when it comes to tax brackets-

Speaker 1:

To Washington.

John:

… to Congress. Yeah, exactly. So, obviously, Congress can make some changes at some point, but for right now, this is where we are. For retirees, important to take a look at historically where tax brackets have been and if you really pay attention where in some pretty low tax brackets if you look throughout time. So, now could be advantageous to some people to really develop some strategies to take advantage of this low tax bracket period for themselves because permanent doesn’t mean too permanent as we just discussed. Depending on what happens, the next administration, things could not become permanent.

Speaker 1:

So I mean, one of the things Roth conversions has been really on the radar for many people for the last number of years because to your point of the historical tax lows, so now you do have some time to Roth over time for at least a couple more years anyway, until what, ’28 or ’29 potentially.

John:

Yeah, so Roth conversions is definitely something we implement for clients, and while this is going to be in place for the next few years. Maybe we get a little bit more aggressive and I think we’re going to touch on it a little bit more in the podcast. We’ll talk about some of the pitfalls to avoid with that because there are some new deductions that you want to remain below.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, Nick, let’s have you just jump in and tackle some of that. So, talk to me about some of the deductions, the standard stuff, some of these other pieces that they locked into place and some things we might want to know and think about.

Nick:

So for people that aren’t familiar with the jargon when it comes to the tax or they don’t prepare themselves, essentially people have two options. They can either use the standard deduction, which is what the majority of W-2 earners do especially or they can itemize. So, the reason that people would itemize historically is they would have enough expenses maybe through a business, maybe through interest from a mortgage or kids or different things that would allow them to itemize and there’d be a benefit to them from a tax perspective.

But when this was originally put into place and the standard deduction was increased, it really shifted it to people being able to just, for the most part, use the standard deduction, which previously about $29,500 for joint, $14,600 for single, and the updated number is going to be $31,500 for joint and then $15,750 for single. So, it’s bumped up a little bit. Years ago, it was lower, and so there would be a lot of people that would get caught between the standard and the itemized, but it is a benefit for quite a bit of people.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. I mean, there’s some decent numbers here we’re talking about. When you take the standard deductions, it’s going to be hard to get there, but you could really make a big dent. We’ll talk about some of the add-on deductions as well here in a second. Does the SALT cap change a lot of things for you guys in Florida? I’m not sure versus other states like New York or California, New Jersey, and I guess maybe to clarify, John, what is the SALT cap and can you break that down a little bit?

John:

So I’ll punt this to Nick. He just actually did this with a client. So, he can give a personal story, which is probably better than me.

Nick:

Yeah. So, the SALT cap is really state and local tax. It is or historically has been much more relevant in states that have higher property tax and/or state income tax. So, a lot of the northeast states, really just a lot of states in general. Here in Florida, we don’t necessarily run into this a ton, however, we do have quite a few clients that do the snowbird thing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, sure.

Nick:

So they have to incorporate taxes in other states and that thing. So, the reality is that it had previously been a benefit for people that were paying a large state income and/or property taxes. They could use it to offset the tax that they paid against their federal income. I guess when the legislation was changed, I think it was like 2017, 2018, they had reduced that SALT cap to $10,000. So, that really had an impact from the perspective of especially high income earners in states that had those different taxes that were applicable. It did cause a decently effective increase in taxes for them.

So, with the good old lobbying that’s done, they went ahead and increased that from the $10,000 that’s been in place for the last five, six years to $40,000 cap for incomes below $500,000. So, although we don’t see it here, we have recently had some clients moving into homes that do have pretty significant property taxes. Although they’re not paying state income tax, the level of the property taxes where they’ve gotten with the run-up in real estate around this area, it has become a little bit more relevant than it was previously.

Speaker 1:

And so that could make a difference. So, again, you want to make sure that of all these changes that are potentially there, you’re talking with your financial professional and your CPAs and working together on making sure that you’re being as effective as possible. So, John, you punted that one back over to Nick. I’ll give you this one, the senior deduction. There was a lot of talk, obviously, a lot of campaigning on just getting rid of taxes on social security. They did their bartering and their deals and they came up with this senior citizen deduction. I mean, it’s not bad for a number of years. It’s like you’re not paying social security taxes, but it’s a little confusing for folks. So, can you break down some of the data on that?

John:

Yeah, so it was initially discussed as, “Hey, we’re going to eliminate social security tax.” This has come up a little bit with some clients asking, “Hey, did they get rid of it?” And the answer is, your social security still is taxed, but if you’re above the age of 65, you do get what they call a senior citizen deduction. That’s $6,000 per person, $12,000 married filing jointly, and there are some income limits to it. The single is $75,000 and the joint is $150,000. So, I would say over the last few months, we have been doing quite a bit of planning to make sure people stay below these thresholds to maximize the deduction and when we’re doing our projections for this year and upcoming years, for some people, it’s a big difference.

It’s a nice little benefit for these retirees who unfortunately over the last few years are really impacted with inflation. I mean, the cost of everything is up. I know CPI recently, I think last year was like 2 to 3% or something, which doesn’t feel like that, but if you’re on a fixed income, this is a pretty big deal. So, it’s nice to see some of these retirees get some relief, but especially with this one more than others, I think if you can stay below those income thresholds, now’s the time to do it because as of now, they’re expiring in 2028. So, you really only have about two or three years to really take advantage of this.

Speaker 1:

Be effective. Yeah. I mean to your point, Nick earlier was talking about the $31,500 for the standard, and then you slap another $12,000 for married, right? Then you slap another $12,000 on here. I mean, that’s pretty hefty, right? So you could get really efficient with this. It’s just a matter of making sure that you’re, again, jumping in and taking advantage of it while you can. Any thoughts on that, Nick?

Nick:

Yeah, no, just like anything else, what you can see a little bit with some of these changes are that there’s certain gaps that it’s stepped in to help with. The reality is a lot of times it’s going to be people that are middle, upper middle class, but from a tax perspective, so if they can keep their income under the 150 for a joint household, that tends to be a middle, upper middle class family.

Speaker 1:

Well, it’s funny you say that because there was so much argument about, “Oh, they’re going to do stuff for just the wealthy,” but a lot of the changes that were put in on the Big Beautiful Bill really actually do help lower and middle class like these. So, I mean, I think there’s some good benefits to the bill for everybody. There’s some things that obviously are a little weird too.

Nick:

Oh, for sure.

Speaker 1:

You got to be effective with it.

Nick:

Yeah, yeah, for sure. The devil’s always in the details. Absolutely. That’s the case with any legislation that is this large and this comprehensive. But those are the standard deduction and the senior citizen deduction are definitely two that are going to have a pretty substantial impact on a large group of people.

Speaker 1:

John, I’m going to go back to you for a minute because we were talking about the Roth earlier. We tossed that in there at the beginning piece there. Again, clearly, this is a good time to think about the fact that it is still alive for a little bit. So, again, Rothing over time is back on that table as we talked about, and so that may be a really effective part of your strategy. You do not want to ignore it because it still could be a limited window.

John:

Correct, yeah. So, definitely that’s one thing we’re looking at currently is what’s the right amount of Roth conversions to be doing at this time. So, it is a great time to-

Speaker 1:

Any traps in there? Any pitfalls we should be aware of?

John:

Yeah, so I was going to say there’s definitely a good time to be aggressive with it, but with this new senior citizen deduction, if you’re doing some conversions, you want to make sure you stay below those thresholds to take advantage of that additional $6,000 per person. So, now is a great time to be aggressive with this, but at the same time, you want to be cautious because there are some things you could be missing out on if you get too aggressive. So, like we’ve always said, look at the plan, talk to your CPA, talk to your financial advisor. One of the most important things going into retirement is avoid unnecessary taxes. So, it’s just an eroding factor on your money. So, if you can avoid it, that just helps you overall.

Speaker 1:

Well, people tend to stay confused if we don’t do this about the whole brackets and the steps anyway, right? Because I think a lot of people think, “Oh, I’m in the 22% bracket. That stayed. Yay, cool. I’m still there. I don’t have to go up,” but every dollar is taxed at that and that’s not how it works. That’s what I think confuses people. So, when you’re talking about maximizing your Roth or something like that, you want to maximize those steps in that bucket, if you will. So, that you just don’t pop into the next bracket if you can. Is that accurate?

John:

Correct, yes. You definitely want stay within the bracket, not really jump up, and sometimes it’s okay to jump up as long as you understand how much-

Speaker 1:

Yeah, not every dollar is going to be at 24 if you popped up to 24.

John:

Correct, yeah. I mean, we have some clients that are doing some Roth conversions from an inheritance standpoint, so they look at it and say, “Well, I’ll pay 22 so my kid doesn’t have to pay 30, whatever, whatever it is.”

Speaker 1:

Right, yeah.

John:

Depending on your situation, you really want to pay attention to what bracket you’ll be, what your effective rate is, and just don’t do it willy-nilly. You want a strategy.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, if you have $1 million you want to convert from a traditional 401 over to a Roth, you want to make sure that you’re not going bracket busting on that, right? Don’t do it all at one time. Again, Roth over time, right? That’s the conversation piece there. So, what else is of note in the bills, guys? Nick, what’s some other things that jumped out at you?

Nick:

Yeah, I think it’s definitely less applicable for many people, but they did bring back bonus depreciation for… It’s typically used by small businesses or landlords, oftentimes applies to qualified business expense or rental property purchase. For example, it can have to do with vehicles, large equipment where a company can accelerate the depreciation into the year, instead of spreading it out over multiple times, which can help offset if they’re having a really good year from an income perspective or just bring down the taxes in general.

From the standpoint of a couple of other things, I’ll have John speak to the EV credit because he took advantage of pretty much all the EV stuff that you could. But one of the deductions, additional deductions that they had put in place is for auto loan interest deduction. So, it’s an above the line. It applies to cars purchased in 2025 or later, and the car has to have final assembly in the US.

Speaker 1:

That’s a funny one right there. It’s like how much of that this qualifies, right? So what’s final assembly mean? Is there a percentage break?

Nick:

There’s definitely cheat sheets out there. Ask your local AI machine.

Speaker 1:

Or dealership I suppose.

Nick:

Yeah, yeah, the dealers will definitely know, but once again, there’s an income threshold on that. So, income above $100,000 won’t qualify. From a charitable giving standpoint, there is an above the line deduction for people that do not itemize. So, $1,000 per person or $2,000 for married filed and jointly.

Speaker 1:

It’s not a lot, but I mean it’s still something, especially in the season of giving, right? It’s above the line. So, give some money.

Nick:

Yeah, exactly.

John:

Better than nothing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, exactly.

Nick:

For sure.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, for sure. Well, what about that EV thing, John?

John:

Yeah, so the vehicle EV credit went away at the end of September, so that one can no longer be used. So, that was if you bought new, there was a tax credit you could obtain and then if you bought used, there was something you could actually get as well depending on the value of the car. If you were actually leasing, basically, the dealership got the credit, which would hopefully reduce your payment depending on how good you are at negotiating.

Speaker 1:

Got you.

John:

But the big one that we’ve been talking to clients about, and I did myself, which Nick was referencing, was solar panels. So, after 12/31/2025, you will not get that 30% reduction for solar panel installation on your house.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it might not be enough time now, huh? I wonder if you could get that done.

John:

It depends how quick your contractor is. I’ll tell you, by the time I agreed to mine, I thought it’d be about a month out and I think within two to three weeks, they got me on the calendar and put it in. So, I had mine in much faster than anticipated, which I was happy about, but it’s a 30% tax credit. If you put some solar panels on the roof, it just has to be installed by 12/31. It doesn’t have to pass inspection or anything as far as I know. It needs to be installed by that date. But I’ll tell you, for those that are comparing this, I just got my first bill from the energy company and there still is a fee to be on their grid.

In Florida here, apparently with these hurricanes, there’s additional fees that we’re getting charged to build the grid back up and to pay for the emergency services. A funny conversation with the person, I said, “Well, when it’s built back up, does this go away or whenever we’re done paying for the cost of the emergency services?” Yeah, that’s a good question.

Speaker 1:

That’s a question.

John:

Well, let’s take a look at that.

Speaker 1:

On ours here in North Carolina, we have storm repair tax or whatever. It’s been on there for a number of years now, and it’s like, but when the storms are repaired, what then? Ongoing storm.

John:

I’m like, “Okay, so this is just an ongoing bill-“

Speaker 1:

Pretty much.

John:

… regardless of my usage that I’m doing here.

Speaker 1:

Another way for them to just hit us with something and go, “Oh, but it’s necessary.” Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, final one here I thought was interesting was the no tax on tips one, right? Might not affect necessarily your client base, but maybe their kids or grandkids, especially a lot of service industry in Florida. So, no tax on tips up to 25 grand, I think, and that’s temporary as well, but that could be interesting. Any final thoughts as we go to wrap this up guys? Anything, Nick, on something we should do now or be effective as the year’s winding down?

Nick:

I mean, I wouldn’t say that there’s a lot to do before the end of the year when it relates to this. I think this is a good example though, and one of the conversations that we have with people is that just because a certain strategy is best now doesn’t mean it’s going to be best in 5 years or 10 years or 15 years. So, when you see a bill like this and with the different changes, something’s becoming permanent, something’s changing, new rules that are built into sunset, it just shows you how important it’s to plan, to build in flexibility, have options both now or later on in retirement, have different buckets of money and really just have a strategy moving forward so that you can benefit no matter what’s happening.

Speaker 1:

All right. John, final thoughts from you?

John:

Not too much. I think we hit mostly everything. I think just being aware of where we are. Historically, tax brackets to me is something to take a look at because I think part of this new bill added, I think, 2.4 trillion of new debt over the next 10 years and I think 4 trillion increase in debt ceiling. So, there’s a lot of-

Speaker 1:

Future tax liability.

John:

There’s a lot of trillions getting created here. So, just be wary of what’s down the road. So, it’s good to just take a look at your overall strategy.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, good point. Timelines, definitely got still a couple of years left, but just be effective and get on it as soon as possible because we all know time just zings it right by. So, if you’ve got some questions, need some help, reach out to the team at pfgprivatewealth.com That’s pfgprivatewealth.com and have a conversation with John and Nick and the whole team today and just get started. Don’t forget to subscribe to Retirement Planning Redefined on Apple or Spotify or whatever podcasting app you enjoy.

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Marc Killian:

Well, you’re retired. Now what? Some people subscribe to the first year rule, which says that the majority of your best retirement months will take place in that first year. So how can we be strategic during the first year and set the tone the right way, both emotionally and financially? Let’s talk about it this week here on Retirement Planning Redefined.

Hey everybody, welcome in once again to another edition of the podcast with John and Nick from PFG Private Wealth, as we talk about the five must do categories in year one, or things at least to be thinking about when we get to that first year of retirement. John and Nick have helped many families get to and through retirement, so it’s a good conversation for us to have and get some insight from the fellows this week. If you need some help, go to pfgprivatewealth.com. That’s pfgprivatewealth.com. Nick, what’s going on, buddy? How are you?

Nick:

Good, good. Just staying busy. Can’t believe it’s already almost October, so time flies.

Marc Killian:

Yeah. By the time we drop this, it might be closer to November, so time definitely flies for sure. John, my friend, how are you doing? Are you hanging in there with the family?

John:

Yeah, doing well, doing well. Family’s good, the girls are getting back into gymnastics, I’m trying to get them into basketball, so having some fun.

Marc Killian:

Okay, nice.

John:

Got some solar panels put up on the house before the tax credit goes away, and I’m excited to try those out, I’ll keep you posted.

Marc Killian:

Nice. Yeah, look at that, being efficient. So share some of that information with the listeners out there in case they want to, because that’s a great point, the tax credit may be going away, I think pretty soon, so maybe something worthwhile.

John:

Yes, end of the year.

Marc Killian:

Yeah. Well, let’s get into this first year conversation, guys. We’ll start with some financial, then we’ll transition to the more touchy-feely side of things, although it’s not that touchy-feely, it’s just important stuff to think about. But I guess you’ve got to learn how to adapt, that’s going to be probably the overarching theme, that first year is a heck of a gear change from the working life to the retired life, so learn how to adjust financially, I suppose. John, you want to start?

John:

Yeah. So the first few years, I’d have to say, are typically the most difficult for retirees to adjust. I just had a meeting actually yesterday, and the person did a great job saving, actually had a pension, good retirement accounts, and there was this fear of how much should I be spending, what should I be doing? So it was that one month, two month shock of, all right, how do I get a paycheck and what should I be doing with my time? So it’s important to take a look at what was on your bucket list, what do you want to accomplish, and like we say with anything, and I know Nick’s going to jump into this a little bit more, what’s your strategy for income moving forward?

Nick:

Yeah. Especially the first year, clients tend to break into A or B as far as the structure of how they like income. So for example, we’ll go through the exercise, get the expenses on paper, go through the plan so we’ve got a pretty good idea of what the expenses are going to look like, and then create their distribution schedule for the first year. And some people like to look at the numbers and say, let’s just say that their number works out to them needing income from their investments at 8,000 a month, so some of them, and it’s interesting because you kind of see the mindset, some of them will start to say, “All right, well, hey, we built in a bunch of buffers in there, I want to make sure we’re not spending too much money, so let’s start at 6,000 a month and let’s see how that plays out over the first year.”

And so, one of the first questions that John and I will ask them is, “Will that prevent you from having any fun or doing any of the things that you want to do?” And if it will, then we’ll oftentimes suggest that they do the 8,000, and then let’s review it at the end of the year and see, hey, did savings go up, did savings go down over that period of time?

Marc Killian:

Yeah, that makes sense, because people will often say, “Hey, let me retire on less just so I can make the numbers work,” and then it’s like, well, maybe you should try that for a few months too, maybe even while you’re still working.

Nick:

Yeah. We really look at that first year as the test period, and even to the extent a suggestion that we’ll make is, especially if they’ve got maybe multiple credit cards they’ve used for different things, “Hey, consolidate the house down to one card, you can have the same account for both of you, put all your expenses on there so it’s easy for us to track. We’ll do a data dump at the end of the year, seeing where the money’s actually going.” And then, all we’ve got to do is we look at, all right, the total withdrawals that we took, did the savings go up or did it go down? And we look at the report on that credit card, and then we can mirror the expenses moving forward on that, and we use that as a test drive.

Others would say, “Hey, no, I feel very comfortable, I’ll still do the things that you want to do. As long as you’re okay with me sending you an email and saying, ‘Hey, we need 10,000 for a trip,’ I’d rather manage the day-to-day expenses coming from that lower amount. And then, if we need bigger chunks to come out for different specific reasons, then we’ll just message you and have you send the money.”

Marc Killian:

Yeah, that’s a great point. So that first two pieces, really, these five things we’re talking about is you’ve got to learn how to adapt, learn how to adjust financially to that gear change, and then establish that income plan with that withdrawal strategy so that you’re giving yourself the salary really is what I’m hearing, Nick. So some people… Because I was talking with somebody not too long ago about this and they were like, “My wife is super frugal, and so she’s scared in that first year to spend anything.” And I talked to them a little later on, and it was like, “Yeah, after seeing the salary come in from the nest egg every two weeks or once a month or whatever it was, after a couple of months, she got comfortable.”

“Okay, well, now we can roll, now I feel better about spending.”

So that’s a great point on how to just watch that over that first year.

All right. So then, John, then I guess the next piece would be to maybe start to shift a little bit and start thinking about the purpose. Again, we talk about this being a gear shift in that first year, you’re working, you’ve got your job, you’ve got your career, many people are all about who they are at work, so what are you retiring to? What is your purpose in retirement? That’s a struggle for folks.

John:

It is, it is, because you’re trying to figure out, where do I fit now?

Marc Killian:

Who am I now, kind of thing?

John:

Yeah. I can tell you where my parents fit, they fit watching my kids, which they tend to enjoy, so that’s where some grandparents are.

Marc Killian:

That’s where many are, sure, yeah.

John:

[inaudible 00:06:27] conversations that Nick and I have, it’s like, “Hey, I’m going to spend some time with the grandkids and take them on vacations and watch them,” so that’s perfectly fine and that’s where some people do find where they want to start going.

We have others where they look at the first 10 years of retirement as these are the years we’re going to go travel and do the things we really want to do while we’re healthy enough to do it, whether it’s go sightseeing, go to national parks, you’re going to have more energy, you can go hiking, you can do things like that, so that could be the purpose is just enjoying the next five to 10 years of really doing some physical activity vacations. Then we have some others that will join some charities that they had an affinity towards, but now they have more time to volunteer and dedicate some time to or build something or just some hobbies. I think Nick, in our classes, does a great job of talking about some different activities people can get into and some resources of now what, what do you do now when it’s not time to go to work anymore?

Marc Killian:

Right, yep.

John:

I’d say the most important thing is just building a routine, so you have a purpose, you have things to do, so you’re not just sitting around watching the news all day, driving yourself crazy, because I’ll tell you, I think I spent… One time, I wasn’t feeling too well, so I had to take a break, I put on the news and I’m like, “Uh-uh, I can’t do this.”

Marc Killian:

No. And if you’re doing that with a stock ticker or any of those financial shows, that is not good either. As a person with ticker problems of my own, that’s the last thing I want to watch on a daily basis is the stock ticker. So Nick, he set you up for this next one, really the fourth piece is take stock of your health. It’s the perfect time in that first year, if you didn’t have time to maybe better your health as your career was winding down, man, get on it that first year retirement so you can do the go-go stuff.

Nick:

Yeah. And a couple of things, and I’ll actually bridge the purpose one and then the health almost from a mental health standpoint, one thing that I’ve realized recently, and even a little bit with my parents, especially because we’re down here in Florida and so many people here are from somewhere else and they’ve got siblings, kids, whatever, in other areas… I had a conversation with my mom maybe two weekends ago, and her older brother was going to turn 70, he’s still up in Rochester, and she was thinking about going up for the birthday to get together, see my grandmother, see family, all that kind of stuff, and then she started complaining about the plane ticket. And I was like, “What are we talking about, $70? Is it $70 more than you thought it was going to be?” Which now is dinner at Chipotle. So the-

John:

Don’t get me started on it, Nick, I just had dinner at Chipotle and it was about $70.

Nick:

Yeah, it comes from somewhere. And the point being is oftentimes when people have moved away, they’re used to the day-to-day, they’re used to working, they live within their means, they’re frugal with their money, they’ve come to a peace and understanding of, hey, I’m not going to see my family that live in different parts of the country as much, that’s just part of how it is, all these sorts of things. And a one-week trip or a five-day trip or just going for a weekend, these little trips and times that you can go and spend and make memories with people oftentimes put you in a much better mindset, from a mental health standpoint, from a, hey, feeling more purpose, like, okay, yeah, I can do these things, I can spend those important times, because… And what I told her was, “You’re not going to remember the $70 in six months, you’re going to remember the time that you spent at the party, so just go and do it.” And so, doing those things are important.

I would say one of the biggest positives that I’ll see people do for their health as they transition into retirement is having a dog, from the social aspect, from the exercise aspect, getting out, seeing people. I think these days, the kids call it touching grass, and just there’s a social aspect to it where you’re interacting, because it’s funny how an eight-hour day can go by quicker sitting at home on the computer or watching TV than it did when you were going to the office.

Marc Killian:

Yeah. And as an animal lover in that regard too, it certainly can help that population, so adopting a dog or whatever can go a long way to helping that kind of stuff, just because you’ve got the time now. So if you’re in the right position to take care of one, that’s a great way to have some… Don’t be like my in-laws, my in-laws did it and they barely spent any time with the dog, so don’t be that way. Do it if you’re going to do it, do it right. But that’s a great point.

Nick:

Yeah. And maybe the concern is by getting a dog that you’re worried that it’ll prevent you from travel or doing different things, so number one, oftentimes there’s options for that, doggy daycare, all that kind of stuff, or number two is maybe it really isn’t a good fit to get a dog.

Marc Killian:

Maybe not, right.

Nick:

But I can tell you there’s all sorts of charity, diving into the charity aspect, where I’ve got friends and/or clients that will go and walk dogs at-

Marc Killian:

Volunteer, yeah.

Nick:

Yeah, volunteer, go walk the dogs for a day, you’re sure to come home in a better mood, that sort of thing. So yeah, there’s opportunities. We used to joke, kids and dogs, for the most part, even if they’re not your own, usually those are things that people will like and you’ll feel better.

Marc Killian:

And that’s why they’re cute, because that way, you don’t take them out when they’re little. Keep them cute, right, John? All right, John, last piece here real quick, so basically just what I’m hearing is the fifth piece is just test drive the plans, whatever they might be, whether it’s a downsizing conversation or relocating or doing the snowbird thing or living on less, whatever’s potentially on your radar, test drive it out, and that way, you’ve got a long-term plan that you have now vetted it a little bit.

John:

Yeah, that’s really important. I think we talked about that a little bit at the beginning, is just the first year as an experiment to figure out what makes sense, what is your spending going to be, how are you adapting to that paycheck? To give you some examples of what we’ve seen, where people may want to move to a different area, and it’s, hey, why don’t you spend a summer there, do a Vrbo for two or three months and see if you like it before you make a big move? Because I’ll tell you, from things we’ve seen, you might make a move, there’s a lot of cost to moving and buying something, closing costs, furniture, and all of a sudden, it’s like, hey, this isn’t for me. It’s hard to adjust to those mistakes, so just do a trial run of things. If you can afford it, definitely do it. And even if you can’t afford it, just try to figure out a way to do the trial run before you make it permanent.

Marc Killian:

Yeah, don’t buy the $70,000 RV if you’re only going to like the RV life for about a month, maybe just rent one first and see how you like it.

John:

Exactly, yeah. If you find out, hey, after about six hours of driving, I can’t really take this, or parking this thing, I’m hitting things.

Marc Killian:

Exactly.

John:

You’ve got to figure out exactly what works for you and what doesn’t, and can’t stress that enough is that do your plan, try things out and figure out what makes sense.

Marc Killian:

Indeed. Well, the habits, the routines, the choices you make early in retirement will echo through the remaining years as they roll down, so be intentional with your strategy and get a strategy. Reach out to John and Nick and get started today at PFG Private Wealth, that’s pfgprivatewealth.com, and get some time onto the calendar, subscribe to the podcast, all that good stuff, so that you catch new episodes when they come out. But certainly, you want to talk about your unique situation, so reach out to them again at pfgprivatewealth.com for John and Nick. I’m your host, Marc Killian. We’ll see you next time here on Retirement Planning Redefined. Have a great day.